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| bondage007 | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2023 - 16:52 Post title : Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! | | | Hello,
Bird won't start. Turns over, seems like no fuel. Connected to Tunecu and got the P0460 DTC code (fuel level sensor circuit malfunction).
Fuel gauge reads empty but tank is full. Bike has been sitting for a while with fuel in it. Victim of covid and life getting busy.
Bike initially started and ran. Went to start next day the problem occurred. Removed air filter and sprayed a little quick start in and it ran for 2-3 seconds.
Reset the code and tried to start, no luck and fault came back. Should I go and perform pin tests as in manual or something else?
Cheers
John
| 2010 Thunderbird Factory 1700, Uni Filter, Hogslayers, 7" Adjure Headlamp Lamp Upgrade
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2023 - 18:17 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | | Hi John-
Siphon the gas out, lift the tank, take photos and disconnect everything (don't forget vent hose in rear with its two clips). Having shop manual is a huge help. Sending unit has 4 bolts, might be gummed up.
Main bung under there has 9 nuts to remove pump assembly with its conveniently located fuel filter attached inside tank.
You and everything you own will smell of gas for a few days. Women find it irresistible.
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| bondage007 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2023 - 18:29 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
Hi John-
Siphon the gas out, lift the tank, take photos and disconnect everything (don't forget vent hose in rear with its two clips). Having shop manual is a huge help. Sending unit has 4 bolts, might be gummed up.
Main bung under there has 9 nuts to remove pump assembly with its conveniently located fuel filter attached inside tank.
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Hello,
Thanks for the quick reply. I have never removed the tank. Is siphoning the gas out the typical way to remove gas or can I remove a hose first to drain?
Cheers
John
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2023 - 18:55 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | | Fuel line automatically closes when removed (see manual), so siphoning is only way. I used a siphon hose with a squeeze bulb from an auto parts store, siphoned 4.5 gallons into a big 5-gal fuel bottle racers use. That's about 36lbs of gas....
Bear in mind that gas vapor is heavier than air and will be spreading out in search of an ignition source.
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| bondage007 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2023 - 19:05 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
Fuel line automatically closes when removed (see manual), so siphoning is only way. I used a siphon hose with a squeeze bulb from an auto parts store, siphoned 4.5 gallons into a big 5-gal fuel bottle racers use. That's about 36lbs of gas....
Bear in mind that gas vapor is heavier than air and will be spreading out in search of an ignition source. |
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Hello,
Seems that check valve is in fitting. I'll order a sensor seal to be on safe side (T2401225).
Thanks again for help.
Cheers
John
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2023 - 20:20 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | |
If this helps any, here's a shot of fuel line, two electrical connectors and vent tube under tank:
Connectors can be a PITA - For large white pump connector, insert small flat-blade screwdriver tight against inside of slot to release clip. Squeeze black connector to remove, lift tab on white portion to remove from bracket.
And here's the fuel filter you might want to go after, too. Pic is stock assembly before pump/filter replacement:
Like your quote - I think we're just about there....
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| bondage007 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jul 2023 - 20:31 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: MotorMac) | | | Hello,
Very helpful, thanks.
Cheers
John
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| Asterix | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/09/2020 | | Posts | : | 16 | | Location | : | Liverpool, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 31 Jul 2023 - 11:22 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | | While you're in there, I'd renew the flexible rubber hoses. Costs pennies and would avoid the problem I had where a perished hose inside the tank was messing up fuel pressure. Took me ages to diagnose as there were no fault codes and I had fuel flowing. Just not enough under load.
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| bondage007 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 31 Jul 2023 - 16:50 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: Asterix) | | |
Asterix wrote:
While you're in there, I'd renew the flexible rubber hoses. Costs pennies and would avoid the problem I had where a perished hose inside the tank was messing up fuel pressure. Took me ages to diagnose as there were no fault codes and I had fuel flowing. Just not enough under load. |
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Hello
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to replace the fuel filter too. Might as well do the hoses.
Cheers
John
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| Asterix | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/09/2020 | | Posts | : | 16 | | Location | : | Liverpool, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 01 Aug 2023 - 13:35 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | | You're welcome best of luck!
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| bondage007 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Aug 2023 - 14:32 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | | Hello,
Got the tank off and fuel level sensor out. Sensor didn't seem frozen or having its travel restricted.
I put an ohm meter on it to see if it had a short. The resistance increased and decreased when I moved the sensor from beginning to end of it's travel. I did notice it had some dead spots along travel stroke. See picture. I don't think it was meter connection.
I'm thinking sensor is shot. Thoughts?
Thanks again
Cheers
John
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| | Post edited by bondage007 on 05 Aug 2023 - 14:33 |
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Aug 2023 - 18:18 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | | I see you figured out the secret to posting pics - (still not fixed).
Level sensor T2401225 is about $150: Link
Does float have a leak?
Holy cow, the teabag-sized strainer on pump intake (#6) is listed at $260! Yikes!
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| bondage007 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 12 Aug 2023 - 18:10 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
I see you figured out the secret to posting pics - (still not fixed).
Level sensor T2401225 is about $150: Link
Does float have a leak?
Holy cow, the teabag-sized strainer on pump intake (#6) is listed at $260! Yikes! |
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Hello,
Replaced the fuel level sensor and the DTC code cleared on its own. The sensor looked pretty corroded.
Bike still won't start. It will run for a few seconds if I spray quick start in the throttle body.
It seems like it's not getting fuel. I'm wondering if it could be the fuel pump. I would think another code/ fault would show when connected to Tunecu. Although I didn't see a specific code for fuel pump in the service manual. Do you have the link to the fuel pump you used?
I also seem to remember hearing a whine when turning the ignition on. Now the only noise I hear is low click every few seconds coming from injector area.
Thoughts, suggestions?
Cheers
John
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| | Posted : 12 Aug 2023 - 18:57 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: bondage007) | | | Hi John, sent PM....
Fuel pump post: Link
Parts suppliers I deal with no longer list the fuel pump - no number in parts list or diagram. Was $400+US last I checked, now it's gone.
Same pump used in a variety of vehicles and available at any autoparts store, part number E8335 (from Biker_Bob) will work, pump I purchased was E1606.
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| bondage007 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 18/07/2011 | | Posts | : | 263 | | Location | : | Glocester, Rhode Island, United States |
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| | Posted : 13 Aug 2023 - 02:54 Post title : Re: Bird won't start P0460 dtc code Help! (Re: MotorMac) | | | MotorMac wrote:
Hi John, sent PM....
Fuel pump post: Link
Parts suppliers I deal with no longer list the fuel pump - no number in parts list or diagram. Was $400+US last I checked, now it's gone.
Same pump used in a variety of vehicles and available at any autoparts store, part number E8335 (from Biker_Bob) will work, pump I purchased was E1606.
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Hello
Thanks again. Looks like I can get one at O'Reilly's tomorrow. I'll replace that and filter. I think that should rule just about everything in the tank. Fingers crossed.
Link
Cheers
John
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